Leave the Children Behind!

by alphamonkey on February 24, 2005 · 13 comments

in Announcements,News,Politics,Stupid People

I freakin’ love Bill Maher.  Even when I disagree with what he has to say, I stand up and cheer him for having the brass balls to take an opinion, however unpopular, and stick to his guns.  The first episode of this season’s Real Time With Bill Maher premiered this last Friday on HBO, and as always Bill brought some new rules for us.

At the end of his show Bill brought up a survey of 100,000 high school students that has produced some disturbing results (read about it on the Great Falls Tribune Online). Half the students don’t think newspapers should be able to publish without governmental approval, 75% believe it is illegal to burn a flag, and more than one third believe that the First Amendment gives too much freedom and needs to be cut back.  AGGGGHHHH kill me now!  Read Bill’s response here.


For a more in depth look at the findings click here. Say I’m crazy, but the future of our country seems to be in serious jeopardy.  This post 9/11 generation scares the ever living bejesus out of me.  They have been taught that it is good for the government to limit your freedoms in order to protect you better, that good Americans salute the flag, sing America the Beautiful during the seventh inning stretch, and go to chuch.  They have been frightened into believing that the government should take whatever steps necessary, no matter how it might limit citizens’ freedoms, in order to better protect them, and that the government could never, ever, use such measures in any inapproriate way. 

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  • alternatego

    I freakin’ don’t love Bill Maher.  He twists the truth, bends it over (backwards), and smacks its fleshy tummy.  It’s allright to have an opinion about people, places, or things (i.e. nouns), but it is another thing entirely to speak in half-truths.  Most of the time, unfortunately for my ears, in this article he was bumping a ceiling at about 1/10 truth.  For example, let’s hear the questions that were posed to these high schoolers and who was asking them.  Was the question, “Do you think news articles should be cleared with the 3 branches of our government before being posted in a newspaper?” Or, was the question, “Should the government be able to stop the posting of nude photographs of you picking a pimple on your back that were stolen from under your bed?” I wasn’t really going to comment until I ran accross this line:


    Now, I know the “morals and values” folks want us to take time out of the school day for prayer and the Ten Commandments and abstinence training, and to learn at least two theories of evolution–the one agreed upon by every scientist in the world, and the one that involves naked ladies and snakes.


    Every scientist?  Really, Bill?  Like every scientific person in the world is dedicated to the proof that we are monkeys and monkeys are bacteria.  There’s not one critically thinking person working in a scientific field who is a Christian, Jew, or Muslim?

    You’ll have to agree that this is damning.  And, you can’t blame me for looking at everything this person says or writes without first thinking of his untruthful hate speech.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/razorfine_review Thundarr

    Do you understand the term for comic effect?  Bill Maher is a comedian, and of course he will stretch the limits to get a laugh.  Are you mad that Jon Stewart isn’t a perfect newscaster, too?

    I’m assuming you understand the concept for comic effect because you used it yourself in your rant against evolution.  Saying all evolution does is say we come from monkeys (which by the way it does not, please consult your middle school textbooks if that’s what you believe) and bacteria, when it is in fact a serious scientific theory that is held by an overwhelming majority of scientists.

    You also attack the scientific survey only because a comedian you dislike mentions it.  Bill Maher was not a part of the survey, he is just one person commenting on its horrifying results.  To see a more in depth look at the results click on the link.  This was a scientific study, buddy.

    Last you refer to this as hate speech, where?  I find no place in his ranting that he attacks a group, makes racial slurs, or tells people to commit acts of violence against a certain group.  That is hate speech my friend.  Discussing a topic is not.

  • that guy

    look you can still be relgious and belive in evolution, the bible is a book that is all about symbolism thats how people back then talked look at all the stories in it they are so unbeliveable if you read and interpret them word for word but if you look at the real meaning they make perfect sense, jeez

  • fealty2dahriyah

    didn’t we just have this debate over john stewart?! I love it.

    I really don’t think anything, major, has changed since I was in high school 10 years ago. I’d be willing to bet that half or more of the group who said flag burning is illegal/wrong/immoral are the same group that have tattered and faded flags hanging off their cars in support of patriotism. which I happen to find offensive.

    I think the real issue here is critical thinking skills. we don’t teach that much anymore. it’s all regurgetation and lining up your ducks w/ everyone else. most school do not reward ingenuity. in fact, I’d say most teachers punish for it.

    that guy- you brought up my favorite bible fact. only christians can pick and choose the parts they consider figurative and literal.

  • alternatego

    “your rant against evolution”

    Whaa?  Oh, is this comic relief too or just more misinformation.

    “saying all evolution does is say we come from monkeys (which by the way it does not, please consult your middle school textbooks if that’s what you believe)”

    Are you saying that all the charts that show monkey to Neanderthal to man are in my imagination?  Or, are you splitting hairs on monkey vs. ape?  I don’t understand this retort.

    I understand that evolutionary theory is accepted by most non-religious people.  I don’t understand why you had to make that point.  But, I guess I already forgot my “rant against evolution” so anything is possible.

    I also don’t really want to go and read any more about the study.  I was just trying to say that staticians can make numbers do anything they want.  Look at exit polls for Pres ‘04.  Not to say that the those results were intentionally screwed with, but they were way off.  I would think you’d be glad to see holes poked in that study.

    If this is all “for comic affect” then which part should we be concerned about?  Should “New Rule” read “New Joke”?  He’s obviously trying to get a point accross.  Like I said before, that is fine.  I like John Stewart even though we probably don’t see eye to eye on political matters.  I don’t think JohnS would say that *zero* scientists believe in creation.  He might make fun of scientists who don’t but that is a different matter.  I don’t even really know anything about Bill outside of the ridiculous statements in this article you posted.

    Yes, thundarr, it is true that Bill never said “I hate you, alternatego.” But, I consider it very spiteful to contrast his belief in evolution with my belief in creation as one accepted by everyone who is smart compared to another that is accepted by those who “like to look at the pictures”.

    I can see why you like Bill.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/razorfine_review Thundarr

    You make the perfect Christian Republican.  You believe what you want, and even if a study is done showing that there might be a problem with your opinion you attack the study rather then read over it, consider all the information, and make an informed decision.  See, that’s the scientific approach. 

    And for you information evolution is not only accpeted by atheists and agnostics, but also by many christians, jews, muslims, hindus, wiccas, and buddhists.  It is not just the intellectual property of the damned, as you may like to think.

    If you are serious about making comedians clarify every thing (New Joke instead of New Rule?!) then your part of the problem that Maher brought up.  We don’t need any more language police, thank you.

    I still fail to see your point about how you feel abused?  Why?  Contrasting two views shouldn’t make you angry, unless you are too closeminded to even consider the other side.  He made a joke, and a pretty good one, get over it and move on with your life, what does whining about it really get you anyway?

    Lastly, on evolution.  Since you failed to pay attention in middle school science (maybe it was against your religion?) let me take a moment to explain the basic concept of evolution.  I’ll use small words to help you understand.  Thousands (that’s many) years ago before the bible says the world was even created (made into being) there was a primate species (a type of creature) that roamed (went around) the earth (our planet).  We don’t have a name for this guy, or really know what he was like, so I’ll call him Herb (missing link).  So all the Herbs were out there and over time two separate (different, not the same) species (types) evolved.  Why?  Well there are many theories (ideas) but I don’t want to confuse you.  So one of these Herb types evolved (changed over time) into what we know call monkeys, apes, orangatangs, chimpanzees, etc.  The other evolved into what we are now, man.  We don’t really know what the Herbs were, and how closely they resembled (looked like) today’s man or today’s monkey is a subject of much debate (nice arguing).  But nowhere (that is not anywhere) does evolution say we came from monkeys.

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    What delightfully sarcasm free rebuttal. Refreshing!

  • http://360.yahoo.com/razorfine_review Thundarr

    Awww shucks

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    Hmm…perhaps my own sarcasm was too subtle.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/razorfine_review Thundarr

    Nope, just that if I’ve used too much sarcasm for even you I take that as a compliment.  It does kinda’ bleed from the screen, huh?

  • alternatego

    Look, Thundarr, I don’t have anything against you.  You seem pretty mad that I’ve questioned the validity of this study.  Then, you go on to say that I accept whatever is thrown at me.  It would be disturbing to me if that’s really what kids thought.  Personally, I don’t think that kids would answer the question that way if they were coached through the problem using critical thinking (or did this on there own as fealty2dahriyah mentioned earlier).  We can all agree that, for the most part, news in today’s world is more ‘opinion’ flavored than it used to be.  The reason I don’t want to read more is that I don’t want to work through what is opinion versus what is fact in this case.  “It is hard work.” Yes, sometimes I watch Fox News so that my brain can relax and if somehow an opinion slips in maybe it won’t hurt too bad.  But, I see right through most of it much of the time.  As far as what Bill had to say about scientists and evolution, I’m not mad like you’d have everyone believe.  I come to this site for funny stories, games, then news.  I am obliged to put my 2 cents in when it feels like my beliefs are misrepresented.  This is not so you, Thundarr, will read what I’ve written and change your mind.  It is more for those who are less familiar with a topic who might be confused into believing something stated as fact is actually an opinion.  I wish you could believe that.  I have considered both “sides” of the evolution argument.  I lived most of my adult life as an athiest having been raised in a Christian home.  Don’t be mislead, though, I’m only 27. 

    I stand corrected on the man comes from monkeys issue.  However, I would argue that it is more of a semantics problem.  So, lets just throw out “monkey” from my first post and insert “pre-monkey” which, of course is also a “pre-man”.  But, by your rules, I can still say “pre-monkey” instead of monkey.

  • fealty2dahriyah

    wait wait wait… prometheus didn’t give us life and fire?

    all hail the tool users then… praise to the hominoids. I look forward to serving your greater good.

  • http://racestreet.org Jack

    This is a great article. I am new to your blog and i like what I see. I look forward to your future work.

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