I hate finding the perfect gift just a little too late!

by alphamonkey on April 5, 2005 · 15 comments

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In light of recent statements by our own Good Reverend, I’m sad that I found this site just days after his birthday had already passed.  Oh well, there’s always Christmas.

That’s right, it’s the Third Reich Collectible Doll page.  Uh, wow.  Those will go well with your kid’s White Power Barbie. 

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  • fealty2dahriyah

    I thought his bday was 4/20?

  • http://www.transbuddha.com The Good Reverend

    hehe not since college

  • http://www.transbuddha.com The Good Reverend

    hey, just because I used the term “German brethren” in my call to arms to unite against David Haselhoff does not make me a goose-stepper! smile

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    Need I remind you of this?

    The Good Reverend:

    I respect Hitler.

  • http://www.transbuddha.com The Good Reverend

    The full quote:

    “I respect Bush.  I respect Al Qaeda.  I respect Hitler.  I also strongly dislike all of them.”

    I even considered using “hate”, but I try not to use that word if I would really be meaning it.

    The sentence “I hate the way that puppy farms treat dogs” can be shortened to “I hate dogs” if you’re willing to be fast and loose with it.

    Not fair, Mr. Novak.  Not fair.

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    Ah, but the sentence was indeed “I respect Hitler”.  I shortened nothing, nor did I alter the meaning of the words.  Removing the preceeding and following sentences does nothing to alter the direct meaning of the quoted statement in question.  It’s not like you used ambiguous wording.

    Novak, huh?  I suppose that’s better than being an O’Reilly, helplessly trying to defend a statement you’d like to distance yourself from.

  • http://www.transbuddha.com The Good Reverend

    Not distancing at all.  If the world would have respected the threat that Hitler posed at an earlier date, millions could have been saved.  Respect is not “loving” or “admiring”.  When a judge says to someone, “You will respect this courtroom!” (not that I’ve ever heard that smile ), neither he nor the defendant pretends for a second that it means “love the courtroom” or “admire and highly esteem the courtroom”.  No, it means “you better stand up and recognize the power of the court”.

    My follow-up sentence clarified the position (for everyone except you, Senor Quibble!) that I certainly didn’t love or admire the list of bad-guys I had just mentioned.  The second sentence completely defines the first few.  Leaving it off is very much on par with the “i hate dogs” analogy.  It is taking words, a phrase, or even the whole sentence out of one context and putting it into your own.  And even boldfaced.  Niiice.

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    Sorry pinky, you’re still reaching with your definition of respect.  When a judge says “You will respect this courtroom” He IS saying that you need to treat it with regard and esteem.  “Standing up and recognizing” is a but a way of doing so.

  • http://www.transbuddha.com The Good Reverend

    How about when someone says “you gotta respect that fact that..”?  Is one being asked to acknowledge the fact?  Or “honor and hold in high regard” the fact?

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    Your usage is indeed saying, “you must hold in high regard”. Especially since that phrase is usually tied to another qualifying statement that is meant to showcase some extrordinary circumstance that bolsters the speaker’s position. Ie, “You gotta respect the fact that millions of people watch American Idol, even though it’s actually the death knell of human civilization.” You see? It’s not that I’m asking you to just recognize that many people watch that trash, but that I’m pointing out the extrordinary accomplishment of a shitty show generating those ratings when all sense would demand the opposite.

    I can acknowledge the argument of intelligent design vs. evolution, but that does not mean I hold it in any regard or esteem.  So for me to say “I respect that opinion” is at the most base level a blatant lie.

    Now if I were to say “I respect your right to have that opinion”, it would be correct, as that intangible principal does merit my regard and esteem, while it’s final usage does not.

    So when you say “I respect [insert person here]”, you are indeed saying that you have some regard, esteem, or admiration for that individual, which is not diminished by your personal opinion of their actions or personality.

  • The Scarlet Harlot

    GET A ROOM!!!

    Do you guys need a little alone time?

  • http://www.transbuddha.com The Good Reverend

    It does mean to regard, not necessarily highly.

    let’s say Person A has a gun and comes up to Person B in an alley and says “Give me your money.” An especially nihilistic Person B replies, “No, give me your money.”, to which Person A (being unusually articulate for a mugger) responds, “Listen, you must respect the fact that I’m the one holding the gun.”

    The mugger is telling the victim that the victim must regard him, that he must acknowledge the fact that Person A is calling the shots.  I’m not a fan of dictionaries as the end-all-be-all arbiters of a language as dynamic as English as you know, but they at least got “regard” right – careful attention, heed.  They left it neutral.  In the scenario above, neither party nor any observers would make the mistake of thinking that the victim should admire the mugger or even the simple fact that he’s holding a gun to the victim’s ribs.  The mugger is not even implying that the victim should hold him in high regard.  He’s simply saying that the victim had best hold him on some level of regard – “give careful heed of” the fact that the victim could be missing vital organs if he doesn’t hand over his wallet.  The word “respect” is like the word “regard” – completely neutral and subject to the context.

    This neutrality of the word, despite Webster’s definition, is common in our language.  That is why no one except you had any issue with it.  They read “respect” in its proper context and understood.  If I had said “Hitler is a swell guy!” (please don’t take this sentence out of this paragraph and post it next to a Nazi action figure, thank you), I can guarantee there would have been more than one reply asking what the hell is wrong with me.  Homeboy’s probably less popular than Satan himself.  I would have been “e-castrated”.  But no.  Not a peep (present company excluded).  Everyone knew exactly what I meant.  The world should have respected the influence and power consolidation that Hitler was gaining in the Reichstag.  My “respect” for Hitler is the same as my “respect” for Bush – I regard them both as dangerous men that must have great heed paid to them.  The Democrats have, until recently, considered Bush a bumbling idiot and paid him no respect for his ability to get teeming masses of other bumbling idiots to the polls.  They respect him now.

    I’ve said my peace on “respect” and I look to the complete absence of any replies to my initial statement as proof enough to me of my argument.  I know that you are not satisfied with the argument – you are obviously completely welcome to continue to be the lone dissenter.  What I do not appreciate though, is taking what I said out of context and putting it next to a Nazi doll.  My own best friend is Asian.  I’ve had two long term relationships with women: one woman is full Mexican, one is full Brazilian.  Hell, I’m not even fully Caucasian.  While fairly intolerant of stupidity, I’m about as ethnically tolerant as one can get.  And you know this.  And yet you chose to be the only one to feign misunderstanding of the context of my words, then decide that it was a good idea to find a picture of a Hitler doll and post on the front page the equivalent of “Hey everybody, the Reverend digs Hitler!” Regardless of the meaning of respect, that post was at best a joke in poor taste, and at worst just plain libelous.

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    I’m sorry, all I got out of that was ‘waugh!’ ‘waugh’ and more ‘waugh’.

  • http://www.dadsbigplan.com .alphamonkey.

    Oh, and to address your “no one commented on it, so I’m right” point: I refer you to this article.

    3 comments. And how many hits did that one get?

  • fealty2dahriyah

    who didn’t give who a reach-around last nite? you guys are worse than my old writing circles, bickering over semantics, but damnit, it’s entertaining.

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