How to Swift Boat a 12 Year Old

by alphamonkey on October 11, 2007 · 17 comments

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The Swiftboating of Graeme FrostShocking to none perhaps, but disgusting nonetheless: The story of how 12 year old Graeme Frost became a target for the whipped up frenzy of an ill-informed right-wing blogosphere after delivering the Democratic weekly radio address last week.

I’d love to write more on this,but I’m a little too pissed off.

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  • LibLiar

    Not a swift-boating. Puhleeze. Dems shouldn’t trot out their rich constituents all the time and make them pose as helpless peons that have to have a new social program or else they will die. Its tiresome.

  • .alphamonkey.

    Did you bother to read up on this? The Frost family is not ‘rich’ by any standard.

  • LibLiar

    Of course I “bothered.” Look, Monkey, the lowest homeless bum on the streets of NYC are rich by the standards of the majority of African nations and many in SE Asia. So your “any standards” argument is shot right there.

    The Frosts are rich by American middle class standards too. In fact, they are rich compared to most inner-city Baltimore residents.
    They have 2 SUV’s a pickup truck, a 400k home, and a private school education for each child. Yet they expect to have you and me pay for their health care. I don’t know how much money YOU make, but I don’t want to give away my money so rich white kids can get free health care when the parents don’t want to pay for insurance.

    Wal-mart operates in Baltimore. Their health-care costs run about 25 bucks per month for a family. Maybe the government, instead of forcing people to pay the health-care costs for under-employed white folk, should make them get jobs at Wal-Mart. Preposterous, right? Buts its easier for you libs to steal money from people in the form of stupid unnecessary social programs.

  • .alphamonkey.

    A) Their income is listed as 40K a year.
    B) Their home was purchased for 50K in the late nineties and now valued at around 250K
    C) The private school is on Scholarship partially due to the kids’ disabilities.
    C) Neither gets health insurance benefits from their work

    You obviously did not read the article, otherwise you’d know those things.

  • LibLiar

    So Time magazine is your only source for your information? That’s not too biased.

    The Frosts have extremely wealthy families too. Just ’cause their income is only 40k doesn’t mean that they don’t have wealth. You didn’t say anything about their 2 SUV’s and their Pickup truck.

    And you just had a baby, didn’t you? Did you have insurance, or are you sucking on the government tit to pay your hospital bill?

    And if you were responsible enough to get insurance, why the hell didn’t the Frosts get insurance? They have four kids. A responsible father takes care of his family, right?

  • Gorlog

    I would like to point out that we can’t use the global argument here when debating wealth. We have to keep the idea held to a norm, i.e. within the cultural and social/economic realm of the system imposed on its people. Comparing the standard of living of Chad to Baltimore is not relevant to this particular argument.

    Secondly, it doesn’t really mater where one is on the political spectrum. I would hope that every citizen would cringe at seeing someone impoverished and without proper housing, food, education and health care. The difference is in how each end of the spectrum would like to solve those problems. Given the obvious partisanship of this article I am a little angry at both parties. The Dems for using a person in this situation to their advantage… but mostly I’m angry at the veto of the movement toward a comprehensive health care system. Even if it only supports children. At least it is helping those that are not old enough to have “made their own way”.

    I know my argument is not eloquent, but I do think you get the idea that when a system is not working (like our current health care system) something has to change. Would trying a new way of doing things be considered “stealing the money in the form of stupid unnecessary social programs?” I would beg to differ.

  • BAD

    This thing is a complete lump of shit.

    My only opinion I will lay down here is that we can either throw ourselves into complete socialized health care, or we can reform the system we have in place now.

    I just wish someone would make a fucking sound and forward thinking decision. Instead we get this bullshit for a program that will be a band aid on a gushing ax wound.

    I lean towards reform, but that would require politicians to work. I have heard rumors they don’t like doing that very much. I guess we will just keep letting things degrade until the system is so corrupt we will basically have to let the government run the whole thing.

    That doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t like the idea of a governing body being in charge of so many things in my life.


    Low blow dude. I expect AM is going to tear you a new one. Good luck.

  • .alphamonkey.

    As a matter of fact, no Time magazine is not my only source of information. There have been numerous legit sources on this story, and each one confirms what I stated above. I find it incredible that you’d rather stick with the ‘they’re wealthy’ line then actually concede that you’re in the wrong.

    And who cares what cars they have? I have two cars, but I can’t exactly spend them on insurance, can I? You can’t spend a car. You can’t spend a house.

    And yes, I had insurance..which didn’t even cover HALF of the pregnancy/labor/delivery/hospital stay cost. So fuck you and you’re ’40K is wealthy’ line.

  • BAD

    Just a note: My wife and I bring in around 40,000 a year as well. We also live in New Jersey where that is just above what is commonly known as poor.

    We have insurance, but like AM said, it doesn’t cover everything. That doesn’t make sense now does it? Why do we have insurance if they are not going to fully cover us in time of need?

    At some point something has got to give. Hopefully it won’t be our sanity.

  • LibLiar

    Monkey, wow, didn’t you graduate college? You seem pretty smart. So why would you elect to purchase insurance that doesn’t pay for half of what you need for your family? You must be one of the worst insurance shoppers ever.

    I also just had a kid. Other than a co-pay I had to pay for my monthly premiums. I guess that makes me a better shopper or more responsible than you.

    Regarding the Frosts, they have refused to show pay stubs (not that I blame them) but it is also documented in many more sources that their families come from wealth. Income is not equal to wealth, Monkey. So, there is no need to admit I am wrong on that point.

    You still haven’t said why they deserve tax payer funded insurance when paid insurance is so readily available or it is offered as a benefit for the right job.

    You say this is a swift boating? Others are saying that Democrats are using human shields to push their agenda.

  • .alphamonkey.

    Most people simply cannot afford to shop for insurance, and indeed get their benefits via their employer. My employer’s benefits were good regarding most areas except for child-birth, and we simply could not afford to buy supplemental. Guess what? That’s the cast for most of America, as well.

    By all mean, lay out your sources for how wealthy the Frosts are. I’d love to see them.

    You still haven’t said why they deserve tax payer funded insurance when paid insurance is so readily available or it is offered as a benefit for the right job.

    Readily available is not the same as affordable. To whit, the cheapest I could get health, dental, and vision for my entire family is barely south of $1000 a month, and that still would have left us with high co-pays and deductibles. Think for a moment what your income would have to be for that not to be onerous or prohibitive. Especially considering the average national wage is about just shy of 37,000 a year. Add to that a median mortgage payment $1,687 per month, and it just gets funner and funner, eh?

    Again, explain how ‘readily available’ is some how the same as ‘affordable’. Lamborghini’s are readily available too, you know…

  • BAD

    Libliar, you are getting on my last nerve too. I have had a hell of a time with insurance and providers.

    I know the ins and outs, and I just happen to have what is referred to as some of the best coverage in this country. Yet I still struggle to pay deductibles and copays.

    I don’t agree with using 12 year olds to try to get legislation passed either, but I also don’t approve of dragging the child and his family through the mud just to prove a point.

    What I would like to see is people leaving that family the hell alone, and then we can enter back into adult world and discuss the real issue.

  • Gorlog

    Whats surprising is that we have this system called Medicare. Once you are 65 the government comes in and acts as your insurance company. Hmmmmm WAIT! I have an idea. Lets take the concept of medicare and apply it people below the age of 65 as well? I wonder what country would be willing to lend us a hand on how to set up such a system…. hmmm just one country. I just can’t seem to think of any western countries that have done this. Oh well, I guess it was a bad idea.

  • LibLiar

    Can you just smell the FAIL?
    Bush vetoed the SCHIP expansion and the Dems in Congress just couldn’t muster the votes to override.

    And Monkey, yes, you are the worst insurance shopper ever. A thousand per month is a ridiculous lie or proof that you just don’t care enough about your family to find a policy that is more affordable for you. If you can’t get a good enough job with great insurance benefits, maybe the Missus can get a good job and you can be a house-husband. After all, I’m sure you are so progressive, that wouldn’t hurt any of your remaining masculine pride.

  • LibLiar

    Here you go Monkey.
    Don’t say no one ever gave you anything for free.
    For 7,000 dollars for a whole year, 400 per month and 2200 deductible, you can get full medical coverage for you and your kids.

    You could probably even form a coalition of other bloggers to get a group benefit, but you would probably wait for someone to do that for you too.

  • .alphamonkey.

    I love the assumption of simple laziness instead of the possibility that there might be a reason insurance for my family is so expensive. Congrats, you’ve made an ass out of you and well, you!

  • BAD

    Hey Libliar, why don’t you take a short walk off a long pier.

    I asked if we could discuss this topic like adults, and you just go for a personal attack once again.

    I still think this issue is to big to just throw some money at it. We need some sound decisions made by our leaders. I don’t feel we have the right kind of people in charge to fix the problem.

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